It was the mid-80s. It's hard for me to describe how important it was, but it was one of those moments that you remember where you were. I remember where I was when Kennedy was shot. I remember where I was when that event happened, what I was doing, what was important. There's some discussion with Jack, and I think he painted the picture of the blue heron in memory of the Challenger in 1986 when it exploded and all those seven people died.

He has a different memory. Memories may vary. Recollections may vary.

It was a nightmare to imagine those hopeful people getting on that plane or that ship—spaceship—and then it exploding. And I remember the Ronald Reagan speech at the time. I heard it on the radio coming in the car, and it was so moving. I remember that Jack made this drawing in memory of them. It was a hopeful time, and for those people it was the end of hope—the end of their life. It was a time that Ronald Reagan was president, and that was not such a wonderful event for many of us.

And yet he gave this amazing speech honoring them. So there was kind of a push and pull.